Thread: Strong Hunch - Clue 3

1. Strong Hunch - Clue 3

I did not nail clue 3 - I sense a method in developing an answer, but I never quite figured it out. I did play around with the clue long enough to develop a strong hunch. Here it is:

MPowers’ Strong Hunch

1.) The letters from the flower-pair coordinates are:

S T T E T M L A Q E C A T E N S E U A

Which can anagram to:

MANATEE STATE QUEST CL

Comments: MS has used ‘QUEST’ to describe these hunts
MANATEE has ANA in it
MANATEE STATE refers to Florida (There are state-related questions in the
companion book.)

2.) The letters from inside the petal ring after reshifting the matrix are:

E A T M O N N N K P S I T H R I S S X D U E A N U L R G T F A Y A U

This can anagram to:

HURRY ANA TOKEN SAINT AUGUSTINE SP FL MXD

Comments: There are 3 – 4 state parks in Saint Augustine, with Anastasia Park being
one of them.
MXD – CL = 1490 – 150 = 1340; Anastasia State Park is at 1340 A1a South

3.) There are 139 colored petals; there are 139 camp sites at Anastasia State Park.

4.) The layout of the campsites is reminiscent of the line path created by graphing

5.) This location fits the void left by the ‘day’s drive’ comment.

6.) Ponce De Leon named Florida which refers to ‘Full of Flowers’ This fits the theme of the clue.

Working against this hunch is that ANASTASIA SP is not specifically given, and it is a fee park. These observations don't yield the prize or the exact location (although I'm suspecting the Y-stem as a clue.)

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how did you get those letters from the flower pair coordinates????

3. Letters

The first set of letters shown in 1.) were generated by converting each flower pair into a set of coordinates, and then looking up the corresponding letter in the matrix. For example starting in the upper left, the coordinate flower pair is 0,2 which corresponds to 'S'. Going clockwise, 4,6 corresponds to 'T', 4,9 corresponds to another 'T', etc.

In looking up the letter, start at the upper left corner of the letter matrix. The first number in each coordinate pair represents the row with '0' assigned to the first row, '1' assigned to the second row, etc. The second number in each coordinate is the column (similarly, the first column is assigned '0', the next is '1', then the next is '2', etc.)

The second set of letters shown in 2.) are found after the matrix is shifted around. The right three columns are cut and relocated to the left of the matrix. Then each of the columns are dialed up and down until a ring of color words appear. The letters for each color are scrambled. The letters shown in my post above come from inside the ring that was formed.

Shifting the matrix, and observing that the ring was formed was originally discovered by Adamav. Awhile I ago, I had some ideas that explained how the clue prompted the shift, and I posted those ideas at these web addresses:

http://www.geocities.com/kellylightning/ATT_Clue3.html

http://www.geocities.com/kellylightning/ATT_Clue3b.html

The second link shows the color ring, and subsequent inside letters. These are the letters shown in 2.) above.

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How do you know you don't have your rows and columns reversed?? Why not do it the other way, as Magesmiley pointed out???

5. Well, actually I don't know. I can only share what's occured to me. There's 3+ months left on ATT, and it would be a shame if Clue 3 phased out without some explanation. Consequently, I thought I'd offer my thoughts.

Ultimately, no token has been found, so who's to know what's correct (besides MS)?

6. Bruinmd,
This is the quote from Nashangel the first time the original string of letters was found on June 1, 2005 ...
It was posted not too long after the clue was found prematurely on the ATT website.
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Assuming that the image posted above by TreasureTracker (thank you!) is the new clue, (since as of yet, clue still isn't posted on ATT site), I started working on a couple of things that may or not be helpful, so take it as you will. If anything, it may save some of you some time....

Observations:

5 Flower Petal Colors:
Red
Orange
Violet
Aqua
Yellow

Number of petals vary from 0-9

Number of leaves on each side of stem vary from 1-3

Box is 10x10....note the word "Adventurer" going down first column.

Okay, now if you take the box as a Polybus square, then get coordinates from the number of petals on each flower pair, starting from top, going clockwise, you get:

02, 46, 49, 07, 18, 25, 27, 15, 11, 16, 95, 03, 52, 09, 13, 45, 05, 73, 15.

If you number your rows/columns on the square, starting with 0 and going up to 9, you get the following from the coordinates:

STTETMLAQECATENSEUA from which I can see some possible interesting anagrams using words such as quest, stalemate, queen, etc.

If you number the square from 1-0, you get the following from the coordinates:

ASYOEUESAETJHZSEPAS I haven't tried to anagram this one yet.

So far, I am not finding anything definite, and haven't begun to figure out what the significance is in the colors of the flower petals, although I am sure that there is a definite clue in them. And the polybus square idea is just an idea - I liked that it fit nicely with the flower petals as coordinates, since both use numbers 0-9. Anyhow, make of it what you will, but if I can at least save some of you some time on this, then maybe we can get this one solved quickly. Good luck!

7. Originally Posted by MPowers
Working against this hunch is that ANASTASIA SP is not specifically given, and it is a fee park. These observations don't yield the prize or the exact location (although I'm suspecting the Y-stem as a clue.)
Just Read, Florida! In a State Park Near You September 8, 2007, is International Literacy Day. To promote literacy and the importance of reading, during the month of September, Florida State Parks will grant free admittance to visitors who support literacy. To receive free entrance to the parks visitors must: show a library card, show a checked out library book, or donate a family-appropriate book or pay admission. So, grab a good book and head out to Anastasia State Park for a very relaxing day.
- Paul Crawford, Park Manager

I wonder if this is every September? Given timing of clue last year, and the connection to literacy, this is very interesting. Especially since state parks in FL mostly have fees, and this would be a "bonus."

8. Lizardlips,

This is interesting. I thought June 1st for the clue date was also perhaps timed for a summer hunt. The other thing I remember is that MS did a book tour in Florida, but I can't exactly remember the time period. (the history of touring has been missing from the ATT Website for awhile).

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I was at the Tampa booksigning. Although I can't remember the date, it coincided with the release of the solution book.

Mike was almost an hour late. He got lost on the Gunn highway. Many of us jokingly speculated that he was hiding another token.

10. Thanks Nica. Hmmmmm.... Maybe he was hiding tokens. If you remember more about when he was there, please post.

I also wanted to mention the following idea (just for fun - it's out there).

If you take the final matrix (with the columns shifted and the 'colors' ring) and turn it upside down, the color ring sorta forms a snake's head. The color that's not used from ROYBGIV (Red-Orange-Yellow-Blue-Green-Indigo-Violet) is Indigo.

Putting it together - the Indigo Snake, which is the largest snake in the United States, found in the region around Florida. However it's threatened; they used to inhabit Anastasia Island, but may no longer be found there.