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    by Trohn Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:27 am

    shecrab wrote:
    I think I know who Les and Ms. Mary are:

    Les Paul and Mary Ford.

    There are an awful lot of rock and roll references in these stories--and this is one of them. The Les Paul series of electric guitars is world-renowned--and you can see what contributions Les Paul made to the genre here:

    Iridium Jazz Club New York City's best music venue featuring Jazz and Rock

    Also...a chestnut tree in full bloom is better known here in the States as a "horse chestnut." It has large white fragrant clusters of upright blooms in white or pink. When in full bloom they look a bit like erect, erm....male members. And I need not explain the other meaning of "cherry" do I?
    It seems a fairly obvious reference to a sexual experience to me. Male--chestnut blooms, Female--cherry (and heart).

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    If we are to take Les and Mary as being together in the story, then we have a small window of when this
    story could take place...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ford
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    by shecrab Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:32 am

    http://www.appalachianfood.com/catalog/jamsjellies.html

    Check out the types of jellies and jams they carry. As most people know, the word "jam" also refers to a musical session.

    (I also looked up Blackheart Enterprises Ltd...they make parts and service Checker cabs. Not significant, just interesting IMHO.)

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    by Genetic Blend Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:15 pm

    Trohn,
    If we think Diane Crump, who was the first woman jockey, is the Diane in this chapter, then she fits in that time period too. She became the first woman jockey at a major racetrack on February 7th, 1969. However, at that time, Les Paul and Mary Ford were no longer together.

    shecrab,
    Maybe Cork or his family makes that black heart cherry jelly. They live in Appalachia!
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    by Trohn Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:18 pm

    Here is another use of Diane...

    http://www.answers.com/topic/prix-de-diane

    which would be obscure but not unheard of.

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    by Genetic Blend Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:04 pm

    That is some good digging Trohn! I don't think I would have found that. But because of the roses and carnations, I think the allusion is to the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, both of which are run here in the US. But you never know, it is, afterall, another horserace with the name Diane associated with it.

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    by Trohn Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:17 pm

    Genetic Blend wrote:
    That is some good digging Trohn! I don't think I would have found that. But because of the roses and carnations, I think the allusion is to the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness, both of which are run here in the US. But you never know, it is, afterall, another horserace with the name Diane associated with it.


    The allusion is to the Kentucky Derby (Roses) and the Belmont (Carnations).
    The Preakness gives out Blackeyed Susans.

    Besides the name Diane, I was intrigued by the race track (Chantilly)
    which made me think of the mushrooms the narator was looking for...

    The other French phrases inserted into this story (lux nova) seems out of
    place. (as well as 'woman's loo')

    Also, the corrseponding town in Virginia.

    Just keeping things open minded.
    (Then again, in this race a Mare would not be chasing a Filly)

    I will stick to the continent.
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    by Genetic Blend Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:23 pm

    Thanks for correcting me on the flowers! I had them written down wrong in my notes.

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    by dogz007 Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:44 am

    not to be picky, or that it makes any difference, but lux nova is latin, not french.

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    by sprite Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:52 pm

    Two observations:

    Miller uses "fauna" in place of [probably] "flora". An intentional wrong word much like "sexton" in "Grandfather's Office". I won't speculate on the significance.

    The SO, from Pennsylvania, immediately remarked, "Chestnut trees are not in bloom when the cherries are ripe." I do not know but it does seem plausible. I'd chalk this one up to artistic license, but maybe someone wants to run with it.

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    by jayheedan1 Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:00 am

    There is also a reference to W.C. Heinz he could actually tie together most of the short stories in this collection.

    He is known for using an "Omniscient" narrative style.

    He wrote "Death of a Racehorse" (Black Heart Cherry) on a very tight deadline. Was considered in a class of writing comparable to Hemingway and the Gettysburg address (Grandfather's Office, Full Moon)

    Praised by Ernest Hemingway (Grandfather's Office) for his book "The Professional" about a boxer (Two Dogs)

    Heinz was a sports writer covering horse racing, football and boxing. He also wrote war novels writing MASH, turned into the television series of the same name.

    Collections of his work was published in book form.

    He wrote about Vince Lombardi coach of the Green Bay Packers - (Green Jersey 74 worn by Annie in Winter Land - Henry Jordan?)

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